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The end of chapter two was missing from some emails.... here it is....

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"Well I'm not one to deny a boy a caning if he needs it." Marina would grin with pleasure, "Do you want to spurt first?"

Kenny would predictably answer "No Miss. Please may I have the caning first."

That was the fun bit for Marina, having her boy request she cane him when he really just wanted to orgasm.

But now, Kenny had to pay the price for his earlier secret and sneaky wank even though Marina had deliberately manipulated it.

"Well, you've only yourself to blame." Marina concluded as she laid the final five across his thighs, "That was very bad."

"Owwww... Ohhhh.. Please no more Miss." Kenny always begged and pleaded when he got them on the thighs.

Marina decided, "I suppose we'll have to go to the bedroom to teach you a lesson in submission yet again. It seems you will never learn!" She turned to leave the room, and her fingers clicked, "Heel boy."

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>"Every time a woman has asked a question here I'd say there has
>been a rush to offer help and mentoring"

It worked.. Well mostly since I'm still somewhat dominant at times
for how submissive I truly am. What does one do though when they lose
their husband altogether? Not lose like divorce, but just lost as in I
can't find him?

Brandy Birdsell Tosh
Chanel Silver
Stormy as Skylar
Mey as Megara
Dixie as Daisy Delilah
Bella Trixxx

I'm glad to see someone posting here after such a long while. Where is everyone?

Anyway, Andy, sorry to have taken so long to answer you, I was hoping others would jump in as Christine and I have been a bit busy.

Andy, you asked about the humbler

> Can I put it on loosely while my balls are in front

Yes, I can with ours. And always do, as Christine finds it fiddly trying to get my balls into it from behind. You asked whether you can...

> walk to her with it sort of vertical

I find there is no need to go vertical with it. It is easier to hold it horizontally in front of my thighs. Mounted in front it's quite comfy, it only gets really uncomfortable if one tries to stand up straight once it is mounted behind the thighs. But then that's the point, it makes a man humble by keeping him bending, bowing, or on his knees, because of being secured by his balls.

You also asked...

> then let her slide it between my legs and straighten it once I am on my knees?

Yes, that works fine for humbling but maybe not for what your Mistress wants, as you asked...

> She says she needs it mainly to flog my cock and she may use it to
> force that appendage to stay in position while she does so. Would that
> work

I think that might be easier for her if you keep it horizontally in front of you.

Christine has a couple of little cock whips, and you can see something similar to her little whip here

https://amzn.to/3KE1RIn

and here, also on Amazon, for something similar to her little flogger

https://amzn.to/3Kfb74b

When my cock is in front, with the balls held, sort of safely out of the way, she tends to enjoy herself with those two on my member.

> or does it have to be to have me push the balls out to the rear. I
> know it would do me good to stay in place, and am not sure how hard a
> whipping of the balls I can handle.

If in doubt, rule it out. I think hitting the balls is a bad idea, from my perspective anyway.

> She says in the humbler I will be able to take a long session.
> Is that true?

Probably not! And I don't think it's a good idea anyway. The cock is made of sturdier stuff.

> Will I always have to stay completely bald down below for this device?

No, not at all. Although it does help with genital devices generally to keep the hair neatly trimmed. Hair tend to get caught up in locks, buckles etc.

Hope that helps,
David

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read the full post at:-

https://u4ds.com/2023/03/using_the_humbler_-_cbt.shtml

https://u4ds.com/2022/04/angelic_playtoy_wants_you_to_e.shtml

Hello Audrey,

You wrote:

>I want Gerald to be unable to 'spurt' without permission. I
>want him desperate.

You might be surprised at the effect you will get by simply
telling him to wear any device, even if it doesn't achieve your
goal of making him totally chaste.

So, I would say, don't sweat the small stuff. Send him to bed
early, in the spare room if you have one, wearing a chastity
belt every night, and pop in and drop your discarded panties on
his face before you retire to bed yourself.

He will know you are doing that to make him suffer 'caged'
frustration, and he will love it. Then regardless of what
frustrating activity he gets up to, you will see the kind of
change in attitude you said you are looking for.

You may not need to go for permanent wear or constant
supervision if you don't want to. Most "boys" just want to know
you care enough to lock them up at night, or whenever they are
going to be unsupervised. Their feverish and fantasising little
minds fill in the details. If he has your knickers and is locked
up, he'll know you are the wicked boss he dreams of.

If you tell him that you don't want him to spurt, and tell him
that he is in a chastity belt to make sure any leakage is the
kind of ruined spurt he deserves for misbehaving, then you can
operate a don't ask don't tell policy.

Only ask what he's been up to if you want an excuse to impose a
further penalty. If you don't want such an excuse, or reason,
then don't ask.

You may find that a simple regime like that is as much "lock up
and forget" as you'll need or want. In fact the routine of
instructing him to put it on at bedtime is likely to be more
satisfying for your submissive than being locked away and
forgotten. Most "boys" get unhappy if ignored.

But, Audrey, you also wrote.

>I was hoping to organise something for Gerald that is more
>lock up and forget than what you do with David. As I really
>want Gerald to be kept absolutely chaste until I feel like
>letting him wank.

Based on what Gerald has said in the "cane me please Mistress
Audrey" thread at...

https://u4ds.com/2018/08/cane_me_please_mistress_audrey.shtml

I think your desire for total chastity control seems likely to
be a dream come true for him. He must be very excited by reading
what you wrote. So, if that is what you really want. And to
answer your direct question which was....

>"I wonder if there are belts more suited to permanent
>chastity?"

Yes, there are belts that are "more" suited to permanent wear.
For that you'll want to measure him in detail and buy an
appropriately sized device rather than an off the shelf one.

You might want to look at BON4 in Holland, Mature Metal in the
USA and RED CHILI/cage-de-chastete in Tarragona, Spain.

Those three are made in sizes that you'll need to measure him
for. I've seen very good reports on all three but there are
others that I have not researched as thoroughly. I'm not
recommending any particular one, as I've not tried any of them
myself, yet! (David watch out!)

If you try one of the above for a few hundred dollars, or spend
even more on individually tailor-made to measure which can run
to thousands, you'll get the comfort and sizing which is
necessary for the long term daily wear you want for Gerald.

No device is ever likely to be perfectly suited to your ideal of
"lock up and forget". So whether you choose a made to measure
device, or experiment with cheap stuff from an online shopping
site, is actually less important than understanding the
psychology of your submissive partner. Because it isn't just the
device, but how you both use it, that can result in the kind of
control you desire.

Chastity devices only work if a submissive wants it to. And most
submissives really do want it to. The fantasy we all enjoy is
that the device is doing the controlling, when in reality it is
the mental commitment of both sub and Dom that does it. The
device is just a comfortable (or not) reminder of their mutual
commitment.

It's clear from what Gerald has already posted here that he
thinks he is prepared to make the commitment if you want him to.
He has stated his desire to feel female power and control. The
more important question is whether you are prepared for what was
implied by your own statement.

>"He might be begging for it daily, but I'd be likely to just
>say no until my mood was right. Or...."

It also doesn't matter a whole lot on what activity follows the
"Or...", it is the fact of your permitting him to beg daily, and
your preparedness for deciding either 'yes', or more importantly
'no' that will excite him perhaps more than you intended by your
throw away remark.

Based on what you posted I think you are likely to soon find
regular begging tiresome, and you'll get the results you need
from the chastity belt in the spare bedroom treatment I
suggested.

But if it's begging you really want, you will want to ensure
that he does not intrude with his begging. I find it best to
require David to kneel and wait for me to notice him. Then I can
either encourage him to beg, or simply dismiss him if I'm
otherwise engaged.

He may not enjoy the actuality and the humiliation of begging
for permission to wank, but he will absolutely love the idea
that you have decided that you want that. So if you demand it,
he will love it. If you insist that is what you want, he will in
all probability think he is in heaven. He will then enjoy the
frustration of whatever device he is wearing if you've just sent
him away with a simple 'not today maybe tomorrow if you're
good'.

"Lock up and forget" will be unlikely to inspire a lot of
enthusiasm for your regime. But a simple daily activity like
telling him to get ready for bed in his chastity belt will be
likely to achieve the attitude change you want. Begging and
denial is a bonus that Gerald will love when you want that level
of activity, but you don't need to go that far.

sincerely, Christine

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Gerald will have read our discussions here on the blog by now,
so no doubt he is getting excited about my plans. But after this
message he might be disappointed or apprehensive.

Christine wrote:

>Even if the male can't remove a chastity device, he can
>usually find a way to fiddle with himself through any type of
>restrainer enough to get some stimulation, and can when
>desperate, bring about some leakage, or even a full blown
>orgasm.

I don't like the sound of that. I want Gerald to be unable to
'spurt' without permission. I want him desperate.

I was hoping to organise something for Gerald that is more lock
up and forget than what you do with David. As I really want
Gerald to be kept absolutely chaste until I feel like letting
him wank.

I think he is wanking too much and that this leads to his surly
attitude. So I want to lock him up until I like his mood and
that will put me into a good mood.

I don't want to supervise him daily, or be involved beyond
caning him whenever I'm in the mood for that. Same with
chastity.

He might be begging for it daily, but I'd be likely to just say
no until my mood was right. Or put him in the bath for the
'waters of the queen' treatment to change his attitude.

So, I want something washable and permanent. I wonder if there
are belts more suited to permanent chastity?

Has anyone on DOMestic any experience to share about chastity
belts that might suit my needs.

Thanks,
Audrey

Christine, Thanks so much for your advice. I'm going to post
some questions later on your chastity belt post as that seems
more appropriate.

Thanks,
Audrey

Lovely to hear from you again.

you wrote:

>controlling Gerald more, I'm thinking I'd like him to be kept
>chaste until I permit a wank. What do you think?

Obviously I think it's great that you plan to control his
wanking. Is Gerald is excited about that? Silly question :-)

>what kind of chastity devices would you recommend?

I posted something for you on the devices I use that I'm hoping
was helpful at Chastity in the Third Age thread at...

https://u4ds.com/2022/02/chastity_in_the_third_age_-_us.shtml

That's just the way I'm currently using chastity devices and
cages on David who has a larger penis which present
difficulties. I have never recommended any of the expensive
commercial devices, as the cheaper ones are the only ones I've
tried as yet.

I'm told the best devices for men with an extra large penis are
the Mature Metal JailBird and BON4 Male Chastity Devices for
well endowed / well hung males. They both look to be quite
expensive so I've never been able to justify a few hundred
dollars, when I've been able to have quite a bit of fun for less
than $100 total for several home-made and cheaper devices.

I've found that by having several different devices, I can also
express my 'whims' about what device I want to see on any
given occasion for my own amusement or purpose.

I don't recall if you ever told us whether Gerald has a small or
big dick? So your need may be different and I'm sure I'm not
alone in wanting to hear what you have in mind. Hopefully others
will also suggest their favourite devices and ideas for you and
Gerald, either here or in the Chastity section of the blog
at....

https://www.u4ds.com/chastity/

where you can read some recommendation from others. My own
recommendations are not so much about the type of device, much
more about about the variety and type of supervision. Men love
to get your involvement in their suffering, it's what makes it
all worthwhile for them :-) No point in being in a cage if
Mistress hasn't told him she wants to stop him enjoying himself.
No point in spurting if Mistress hasn't made it humiliating in
some way.

Once he is in a device then find reasons to tell him to to take
it off, or put it on, at certain times. If you supervise that
process and inspect his genitals, perhaps handling him in the
process in a 'medical' or dispassionate way to check for damage
due to chafing. Then slap his cock if/when it shows signs of
arousal, then he will likely be in heaven.

So having him put it on when he is to be left alone, or take it
off when you are around to keep an eye on him are obvious ways
to supervise. Take off the cage in the morning and put on the
spikes. Take off the spikes when going out, then putting them on
again when you come home. Take off the spikes to shower, and put
on a cage. Question about behaviour after a shower if he was
uncaged for washing.

If I put him in spikes when I put him in situations which will
arouse him, it allows him to think I'm being bitchy. Cages when
I really want to tell him it is to ensure he can't wank a night
as I want to deny him pleasure will of course arouse him. Then I
can tell him I want to make his cock suffer in a cage which is
too small for his erect cock.

A cage should be comfy when he is soft, but very uncomfortable
to discourage his arousal when his genitals become engorged.
Which reminds me, if you are going to lock him up when he is to
be alone and unsupervised, then it's a good idea to put one of
the keys in a sealed container which he can open in an
emergency. Something simple like an envelope which you have
taped shut to ensure the key can't be removed, and signed across
the flap to check for tampering, will suffice quite adequately.

sincerely,
Christine

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I solved this by taking nude pictures of him, one very nice one
with his cock fully erect and other pictures of him sucking
cocks and getting his ass fucked.

I took enlarged prints to a frame shop, and had them
professionally framed and matted.

These now hang in our living room where anyone and every one
who come to visit see them. They are too large to ignore, and
too explicit to miss.

He is much better about being naked now.

Christine and David I am long overdue in sending this update. I took your advice some 3 years ago and had Gerald purchase from a well known Chinese supplier whatever cage he thought would be best at keeping him under my "lock and forget" control.

O.K that wasn't exactly how you put it, but it would be fair to say that Gerald did offer total submission to whatever I wanted in return for the occasional caning he was desperate for.

As I hoped Gerald did come to me and beg for a spurt when desperate, which gave me the control I always wanted. No doubt he knew from reading my last post how important that was to me.

It did discourage too many requests, and for a couple of years we both got what we wanted. I caned Gerald when the mood took me, but mostly he waited patiently upon my mood. Gerald was totally focused on me, Lovely.

I removed his kinky books, put the child lock on the adult channels, and I swapped his smartphone for a new dumb phone. I only let him use a smartphone or computer when in my presence. So Gerald will not be reading this or any other post and he will probably be thinking that what just happened was something I thought up or planned.

Sadly I have let life get in the way and while Gerald has been relatively chaste he has gone un-punished for over a year now. I have been at a loss for a way to resume the caning coming as it now would seemingly out of the blue.

So I will thank David on Gerald's behalf for his recent story which in the last month has inspired me to update you and more importantly David has provided me with method and much needed justification for my reviving intermittent caning.

Gerald still potters about in his shed but the kinky books having been confiscated his time there is spent more productively now he is in his chastity cage.

So mid morning after reading the first episode of David's new story, I put on my old jeans and strode down the garden to his dirty old shed and burst in on him with my cane in hand. I could see the happiness on his face which he tried to hide. I looked around and declared that there was not enough room to swing a cat and told him to clean up and report to me in the house.

I told him I was going to give him twenty for looking up my skirt the previous night and that he should ask permission for such treats in future. Then as I was caning him I said that if I do give him permission to peek it will only be six but if I catch him peeking after I've declined then it will be much worse for him.

This has worked well for me in the last couple of weeks as it means I can punish whenever I decide I'm in the mood. Hardly a day goes by when he doesn't glance hopefully at my display of lots of leg in the evenings, and I can choose to have noticed that the next day if that is my mood

He has already asked for permission several times and I have denied it which left me plenty of scope for severe canings if I wanted.

Kenny had come a long way since Susan first made him submit to a caning. He liked to think Susan had 'forced' him to submit, and then made him her submissive, but in truth he had needed it, even if he didn't want to admit he liked it.

Dominant women had always wrapped him around their little finger one way or another, and it wasn't until Marina that he had been offered the opportunity to be the spanker, rather than the spankee. But even that had only ever been a few bedroom games manipulated by her. Kenny was not a natural dominant.

Now Kenny was in sub heaven, but he would not want to admit that and ruin his illusion. His wife Marina regularly teased him, edged him, and then denied him his orgasm at the last minute for days until eventually letting him 'spurt'. But long before the eventual 'spurts' she would find something to cane him for, six of the best on an almost daily basis. The peeking tax, the wanking tax, all her inventions to keep him desperate while humiliating him.

Laying over the Ottoman, Kenny was intensely aware of her sexy stockinged feet. A highly erotic moment for a man like Kenny to have his Mistress wielding a cane threateningly above him as he awaited her pleasure while looking down upon the sexy darker shading of the stocking covered toes.

"It shows me proper respect." The cane whistled past his ear as if to emphasise what inspires maximum respect. "I want to see you looking at my feet much more in future."

While he had been waiting patiently for his impending punishment, laying over the Ottoman as instructed, Kenny had noticed that Marina had deliberately placed the Ottoman where he could, if he dared, turn his head to look at her. Kenny had done so, and intently stared at her stockinged feet, for some reason the reinforced heel and toes (RHT) style stockings always aroused him. He had been happy to focus there and had refused to give in to the temptation to raise his eyes, and incur further strokes for looking up her dress without permission.

Marina continued pacing, enjoying toying with her victim. "It's good that you look at my feet. A boy who knows his place doesn't look above his owner's feet when being disciplined until she says he can." The cane swished past his other ear. "Looking higher is a privilege you have to earn and pay for."

What Marina knew about foot fetishists had long told her that Kenny was likely one of those. Even before Susan told her Kenny was a natural submissive he had always been excited when she wore stockings, and she noticed he often looked at her feet if she wore the ones that she, and he, loved. She knew he was likely aroused by looking at her feet in her favourite fully fashioned RHT stockings as he awaited his punishment. For Kenny it was almost as exciting looking at her sexy feet as it was looking beneath her skirts, particularly when he dare not risk raising his head to look higher. There was excitement in the danger too.

Marina continued, "In fact. A boy should always consider kissing the feet of his Mistress when he sees she is reclining at leisure. I expect a lot more respect from now on, without waiting to be told." The cane swished past his ear once again.

Kenny was watching her stockinged feet pace around him as she lectured him.

"If a boy wants his Mistress to notice him, then kissing her feet is one way to get her attention, maybe less need to cane you if you focus on my feet instead of peeking up my skirt." The cane swished again. Marina had deliberately trained Kenny to wank under supervision while peeking up her skirt, and then made him pay for even that humiliating pleasure, now she teased him with the idea of more of that humiliating sex and less pain if he humbled himself further still.

Time to offer the carrot Marina decided. "If you were much more respectful, I might give you a free look without charging you the usual tax, would you like that boy?"

"Oh yes Miss, please, Miss. May I call you Mistress?" Kenny grovelled the way she liked.

"You may. I might even let you play with your willy, tax free, as you look up my skirt, you'd like that wouldn't you?" Marina liked to make him use the boyish term for his 'manhood'. When requesting his supervised wank she often insisted he say "please may I play with my willy" to humiliate him further.

Marina taunted, "You like playing with your willy while you look up my skirt don't you boy. Admit it!"

"Oh yes please Mistress, thank you Mistress, I would be so grateful, if you would let me look up your skirt and play with my willy Miss," Kenny answered truthfully. For humiliating as it was to be 'reduced' to asking to do that, he had become addicted, as Marina had intended.

Toying with a man was almost as much fun as caning one for Marina. "But if you want your Mistress to play with your willy for you, then you would have to offer to pay tax in advance. Because after all, if you get your pleasure, your Mistress should get hers, don't you think?" the cane swished past his ear yet again.

"Oh yes Mistress I do. I would happily pay in advance for such an honour," Kenny was once again being honest, for it would certainly be infinitely preferable to pay in advance if she was offering a 'spurt', as he hoped, than be caned immediately after an orgasm.

Marina pounced on her victim, metaphorically of course, like a cat on it's prey, "How many strokes would that be worth boy?"

Kenny realised he was trapped, he now had to make a generous 'offer'. He couldn't just offer twenty, or the severe fifty he sometimes 'suffered' at her pleasure. But he didn't think he could take much more.

Marina could almost hear the cogs whirring in his mind as Kenny struggled to find a way to answer. "Look," she ordered giving him a way out like a cat letting her mouse almost escape.

Kenny looked up from her feet to see she had deliberately raised her dress framing her stocking tops, and just the barest hint of a glimpse of her panties.

---

Psychologists would probably call it formative experiences. In Marina's case necking in Pete's car in her late teens was one such experience. Pete, like most young men, had wandering hands if given half a chance. Marina enjoyed reciprocating in kind. She didn't let Pete get his hand inside her tights, but was more than happy to unzip his flies, and have a good feel of his erection through his underpants. By the time she told him she had to go indoors, or her parents would be wondering what they were doing outside for so long, Pete would be moaning as she kept him on the edge only to leave him unsatisfied.

The action of raising her dress just that far, and no further, was reminiscent of what Kenny had liked early in their relationship when she occasionally enjoyed submitting to him. A game Marina had enjoyed playing was teasing and denying men until her current beau could take it no more and became dominant and demanding, sometimes even leading to her being spanked. A psychologist might suggest this was her way of seeking assurance of love, in the face of being an intolerably 'naughty girl'. It was when Kenny was pretending to be dominant that she noticed how much he enjoyed making her expose herself to his 'viewing'. A fact she would later use to train him into upskirt peeking to humiliate him.

---

Now, she used his addiction to it against him. "More than you can afford isn't it?" Marina taunted.

"Yes Mistress, perhaps I could pay my taxes in instalments, if Mistress would permit. I would be immensely privileged if you would allow that."

Marina had just what she wanted, caning an aroused male was exciting, even more so when it was Kenny. And Kenny was clearly so aroused he would now pay any price she asked.

After Marina had finished toying with her victim, she swished the cane through the air once more to intimidate him, and then she delivered the first five briskly without counting, one, two, three, four and five in quick succession without pausing between. Then as Kenny started begging "Please Marina, I'm sorry, not so hard, please..."

Marina had already resumed her reclined position on the sofa, now one long leg drawn up so that her dress fell in a frame around her stockinged thighs.

"Have a good look now," she instructed, "I want you to see what you are being punished for."

Kenny turned his head. Once again he had permission and he dared to look above her feet, to see Marina was blatantly displaying her erotic lingerie clad thighs and above framed by her dress.

"Now wanker," Marina demanded, "you will tell me the last time you thought about the view up my dress as you played with your willy."

"I don't remember Miss," Kenny knew there was one instance that Marina was likely going to discover, but in truth he had been trained to enjoy that view so much and he thought about it so frequently that he couldn't be sure. "In bed this morning I think Miss."

"So often you can't remember, you dirty nasty boy, is that right?" Marina taunted.

"Yes Miss," Kenny said, relieved that he may have got away without revealing the secret wank in the shower that he knew would bring him some real trouble.

"And did you spurt in bed this morning? Or did you stop on the edge, the way I like?" Marina loved the idea that he played with himself, and edged himself, because she had trained him to do so. Or else!

"I didn't spurt Miss."

Marina enjoyed knowing that it was her power that had stopped him letting go that morning. "I'm going to be lenient with you and allow you some credit for being good."

"Thank you Miss," Kenny intoned as he saw Marina rise from the sofa, cane once again in hand.

"But you have another fifteen to go, they can be hard like the last five, they can be on your bum, or on your thighs, so make it easy on yourself now, before it's too late and tell me when you last spurted thinking your nasty thoughts."

Marina, now back on her feet, laid one stroke across his thighs, not too hard yet. Then four more on his buttocks. She warned... "They were only gentle taps compared to what's coming if you don't confess quickly.

"I was bad once Miss...."

"I thought so, I can tell when you are hiding something," Marina laid another five across his buttocks, harder this time. "Come on boy, own up, what did you do."

Marina loved the effect the cane had on a man's tongue in more ways than one. Kenny's tongue was loosened and just as she expected he soon revealed that he had indeed sneakily 'wanked' and 'spurted' in the shower once since his last caning.

"I'm sorry Miss. I did it once in the shower, the day before yesterday Miss. I lost control, I tried to stop..."

Kenny's accident in the shower was after Marina had spent an afternoon making sure he was aroused. Then she had 'edged' him for half an hour while he begged and pleaded for her to 'bring him off'. Finally she had decided, "No we'll leave it now. I don't like it when you make a mess on my hands. Best if you go and shave and shower, we are going out shortly." Marina knew leaving him like that would be likely to provoke an 'accident' and now she had discovered the 'accident' that she wanted and expected.

"Oh dear," Marina pretended disappointment, "what did we agree the last time this happened?"

"That I would only spurt when you are touching me, or watching me do it Miss," Kenny offered.

"Yes, and never secretly," Marina agreed. "And how much does a supervised spurt cost?"

"Six strokes Miss."

"Yes, and was it nice the last time I touched 'it' for you?" Marina was referring to the edging session when they were necking on the sofa, when she made him beg and plead to be allowed to spurt as she played with his cock. Like all such sessions when they happened it had ended with Marina listening to his begging and then deciding against his relief. On this occasion she had left him unlocked to create the accident to amuse her. But more often she would declare before he could spurt. "Well, I think that's enough for today, time to lock you up again I think."

Then Kenny out of desperation would offer, "Please Miss, please will you cane me. I need six strokes Miss."

Marina would laugh with pleasure, "Ok, if you are sure you want it. Do you really want it?"

"Yes Miss, please Miss, I'm desperate for it Miss."

"Well I'm not one to deny a boy a caning if he needs it." Marina would grin with pleasure, "Do you want to spurt first?"

Kenny would predictably answer "No Miss. Please may I have the caning first."

That was the fun bit for Marina, having her boy request she cane him when he really just wanted to orgasm.

But now, Kenny had to pay the price for his earlier secret and sneaky wank even though Marina had deliberately manipulated it.

"Well, you've only yourself to blame." Marina concluded as she laid the final five across his thighs, "That was very bad."

"Owwww... Ohhhh.. Please no more Miss." Kenny always begged and pleaded when he got them on the thighs.

Marina decided, "I suppose we'll have to go to the bedroom to teach you a lesson in submission yet again. It seems you will never learn!" She turned to leave the room, and her fingers clicked,

"Heel boy."

Kenny put on the chastity belt after his shower when he found she had put it on the bed on top of his clothes. He clicked the lock shut as he had been trained to do. It was wise not to break that rule! He had showered early as Marina liked him ready early when they were going out.

When Kenny came into the living room at four Marina was reading intently. She was already reclining on the sofa which she liked to call a chaise longue. Kenny thought the sofa too modern to be called that, but in his opinion Marina was definitely the kind of woman who ought to be reclining on a chaise longue anyway.

Marina, who wore the key to his belt on a chain around her neck, clicked her fingers, once, twice, three times. Marina loved doing that to order men to their knees.

In this case the man was her husband, Kenny, who was not being ordered to kneel, but to sit on the ridiculously tiny stool at the foot of the 'chaise longue' as was indicated by the direction of her clicking fingers.

Kenny had been made to wear the belt fairly constantly for some years after that event, and during that time Marina had trained him to perform orally for her pleasure and only let him out of his belt for supervised wanking as he lay on his back while she stood astride his head. After more than ten years of that kind of treatment Kenny could be described as a fully trained houseboy, and she had in effect addicted him to upskirt peeking which was the way she loved to humiliate men. Now she had him trained to behave in ways she enjoyed, Kenny was allowed out of the belt much more often.

The stool was usually kept on the far side of the room, and called the wanking stool by Marina because that is where she often made him sit uncomfortably for a supervised wank when such was permitted. When the stool was this close to her feet it could mean he was to apply her nail varnish, do up her ankle jewellery, or apologise for something by kissing her feet. The latter was most likely as no jewellery was in evidence, and her toes were already bright red from when he had painted them that morning.

It was several minutes of silence during which he could hear her turning the page on her book. Kenny's cock hardened as he focused on her lovely stockinged feet in the fully fashioned black seamed Aristoc Harmony Point he had found for her on the internet. Marina had specifically asked for them by adding them to her wish list on the (in)famous retail giant.

"I don't recall giving you permission to look up my skirt!" Marina demanded.

"Sorry? I didn't. I just came in," Kenny protested, realising that it was obviously an apology he was there for, even though he hadn't yet done anything. It couldn't have been when he applied the nail varnish earlier as she had been wearing jeans at the time.

Whenever Marina reclined like that he did sneak occasional glances under her short skirt or dress if the opportunity arose. He knew he was supposed to have permission, but was reluctant to ask as she would charge him a six stroke tax for the privilege of an evening of peeking. If he was not locked back into his belt at bedtime, Kenny would later masturbate unsupervised as he remembered the view up her skirt, and for the same 'taxation' reason he would not ask to be supervised when wanking as he was supposed to.

Marina deliberately chose to recline on the sofa rather than sit upright, as she knew it would make it harder for Kenny to resist peeking. If she spotted him sneaking a peek without permission she would impose a 20 stroke penalty, and that would increase to 50 if he had recently been penalised and still not asked for permission. During such punishments questioning was likely to reveal other misdeeds, like wanking without permission if she had deliberately left him without his belt. Sometimes he had to be without his belt if he had developed soreness, but sometimes she 'forgot' to lock him up so as to have something to punish him for.

It is very humiliating for a man like Kenny, even a well trained houseboy, to ask for a supervised wank, or indeed to ask for permission to look up a woman's dress, which is why Marina required it of him. A six stroke tax for the view, and another six strokes for the wank. The 'tax' was deliberately light, so that she could enjoy laughing at him, and watching how humiliated he looked when he asked.

So Kenny was in a no win situation. He would get a severe punishment if caught wanking or peeking without permission, or endure the humiliation of asking and suffering light disciplinary 'taxation'. Marina preferred the latter so manipulating her husband into a situation where he had to humiliate himself was an almost daily game she played, like a cat playing with a mouse.

When he did ask out of desperation for permission to peek so as to avoid inevitable severe punishment for accidental glances, she would be sure to make some comment to intensify his humiliation like "Pathetic aren't you? Just a dirty little schoolboy!" and when he agreed, as he must, she might ask, "I suppose I'll have to lock you up again tonight or you'll just have a sneaky wank later after peeking all evening won't you?"

But on this occasion Kenny wasn't sure when he had been caught offending, so upon hearing the accusation he bent forward and started kissing her toes and then under her feet down to the heels, apologising all the while just to be on the safe side. "I'm sorry if I made a mistake.... Sorry, please forgive me..."

"I'm talking about last night, when we had guests and I couldn't punish you."

Kenny bent further forward and kissed her stockinged ankles, "Sorry Marina, please forgive me."

"You deliberately sat on the hearth where you could get a very good view."

"I'm sorry Marina, I only sat there to make enough room for the guests on the comfortable chairs, I didn't mean to..." Kenny explained.

"Nevertheless, I saw you sneaking glances at every opportunity. I think you are way too eager to sit down there where you can ogle me. Just as well I put you in your belt before they came or god knows what a nasty display of yourself you would have made."

"I'm sorry Marina, you know I find your legs so sexy, I couldn't help looking at you," Kenny flattered hopefully.

"'Miss' or 'Miss Marina' to you boy! Go and fetch the cane."

Whenever she punished or ordered he prepare for punishment Marina required him to use a respectful form of address.

On Kenny's return with her cane he handed it to her but she clicked her fingers and pointed to the sofa beside her. He placed it there carefully, almost reverently "You can have twenty before we go to dinner. Ring and book for seven."

"Yes Miss."

On his return Marina ordered, "Trousers and pants down and lay over the Ottoman."

"Yes Miss," Kenny obeyed, and then lay there awaiting her pleasure as she continued reading her book.

Eventually, after what seemed an eternity, he could hear her getting to her feet, and heard the swish as she practised, slicing the air noisily.

"Pathetic creature aren't you?"

"Yes Miss."

Trained To Peek - Chapter Two

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It's been a while since anyone posted here on DOMestic. I hope this update on how David and I have been spending our days stimulates some conversation.

I recently noticed how 'inexpensive' chastity cages for men are nowadays, just as as an example these two I saw on Amazon are now at the 'toys' level of pricing.

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At those prices I was happy to buy a couple of 'cheap' chastity cages for shorter term play, rather than try for long term chastity with possibly more expensive or complicated devices. I'll explain...

As long time readers of DOMestic will know, I've never thought that chastity can realistically be imposed on a wanker who is determined to defeat the device by hook or by crook. This is why until recently I only used a homemade spiked penis corset instead of buying an expensive chastity cage. Instructions for making a spiked penis corset are on the DOMestic web site.

My three favourite devices are currently the chastity spikes, the cane, and a small strap on dildo,

and I use them all, if not daily, then many times during the average week. I use the threesome in combination to tease and deny. I've now added a couple of chastity cages as a fun and gentler variation from my use of the spikes.

Even if the male can't remove a chastity device, he can usually find a way to fiddle with himself through any type of restrainer enough to get some stimulation, and can when desperate, bring about some leakage, or even a full blown orgasm. I only use the word orgasm here for the sake of clarity. In our home I always insist that the male 'orgasm' is referred to as a 'spurt' or a 'squirt' and that male masturbation is wanking or fiddling. It is especially important to humiliate the wanker by making him use derogatory terminology when admitting to such 'offensive' activity. But enough digression for now....

I have been keeping David in the spikes every night, so that he can't have a spurt without suffering greatly for my amusement. He knows, because I tell him frequently, that I enjoy the idea that his wanking is painful unless he requested permission for it. And of course, if he does request permission, then I get to enjoy his humiliation at asking for permission and I get to tell him how pathetic he is when he does so. It's delicious how he can't win :-)

As if my pleasure is not reason enough for any male, I can offer the male another rationale for why chastity restraints are 'for their own good'. For example I can tell him it has to be painful for males, otherwise they would all be wanking too much, and squirt more than is healthy. Spurting twice a week is more than enough for male prostate health. And more than twice a week is very bad for male attitude generally. Lectures along these lines often occur during his frequent canings.

In my system of control, as well as the stick, there is also the carrot. So I tell him that the pain of the spikes is to help him control himself so that he can benefit when I allow him a spurt without the spikes. To have any chance of getting a reward like that he needs to get his unsupervised squirts down to less than once every 4 days. Remember that more than twice a week is bad for male attitude. So, if he manages to go a full 4 or five days without a spurt, he is allowed to request a "little wank".

I try to make it hard for him to last through even one night by dropping my panties into his lap at my bedtime after I've kissed him goodnight. That tends to ensure he almost never makes it to 5 days without spurting, so I don't have to supervise the messy squirty business too often.

At around 8pm in the evenings, I either put on his spikes myself, or supervise as I order him to do so in front of me as I relax with a glass on wine. As an additional cruel temptation, I often tell him that he is not allowed to fiddle with himself, even with the spikes in place without sniffing my panties to remind him of my control.

Sometimes I'll send for him after I've retired to my bed, I'll give him my vibrator and tell him to warm it up for me. I make him suck on it to get it nice and warm. While he's doing that I tell him I will not be needing him but he'll find my panties in the laundry basket in the en-suite bathroom. "I'll enjoy thinking of your spikes digging in while you sniff them."

I try to moan loudly as I orgasm as I know he'll be in the en-suite bathroom probably hoping to be summoned even though I told him I would not need him.

The advantage of a chastity cage over the spikes is that I can prolong his restraint into the daytime when we are not in company or out and about. Even a cock that's been toughened up needs some relief from tormenting spikes, but now I can grant that while continuing the restraint. Another advantage is that cages can even be used when washing and showering making sneaky wanking even harder.

He gets a severe caning of well over 40 strokes on a monthly basis as a reminder of what will happen if he misbehaves and I always make that heavy caning hard for him to take.

I also give him a very light caning on a regular, sometimes daily basis, at which time he receives six to a dozen or more strokes of the cane after breakfast.

I question him during the discipline session to check that the spikes have been kept in place for all his unsupervised wanking.

During such questioning I have the opportunity to express my pleasure at hearing about how his 'squirts' were painful. And my deliberately expressed joy at hearing such tales of frustration and suffering form the basis of his own intense pleasure in believing he has to suffer for my pleasure.

For those who might think I'm giving the game away by acknowledging what he finds sexy to believe, and that David will know my mind when he reads this article, let me reassure you (and him) that the two things can be true at the same time. In consensual FemDom the dominant can understand the pleasure of the submissive while she enjoys herself.

I don't lock him into the spikes and I like to leave him with the ability to misbehave, as that provides a lovely excuse for the monthly severe caning. I love to let him complain that it hurts so that I can tell him "It's supposed to hurt," and explain why he has to suffer.

During his monthly caning I might ask him things like, "Do you know why you have to be caned severely like this?" And if he doesn't provide an amusing answer, he can experience the pleasure of my telling him that I have to make it painful to force him to accept the unpleasantly controlled masturbation at night.

"I love hearing how you suffer wanking with the spikes, and you wouldn't suffer for me if I didn't cane you like this would you?"

This helps him suspend the reality and pretend it's only about my need to be cruel. He doesn't have to admit to himself that he enjoys that cruelty. The double-think makes role play all the more fun for dominant and submissive.

I'll try to let you know a bit about my use of my favourite strap-ons/dildos to enhance tease and denial in my next post.

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